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ANONYMOUS: Are they PROTESTERS or TERRORISTS?

Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:08 PM EST
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By sammy sezso

As the hype over impending cybergeddon heats up in Congress, could American citizens soon be considered terrorists for simply voicing dissent online? In the fog of cyberwar, freedom may be first to go.

Cyberwar. Some dismiss it as hype, fueled by government contractors eager for profit, without much concern about the consequences to the net or to freedom. But in Congress, the gloom-and-doom talk about the need for American "cyberwar" preparedness lately is quite real. And for some lawmakers, it's a clear and present danger.

"A cyberattack is on its way. We will suffer a catastrophic cyber attack," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., recently said at a hearing. "The clock is ticking."

The Pentagon has even developed a policy that now deems major cyber attacks to be acts of war -- which could merit a military response. Bombs for bits, so to speak. "If you shut down our power grid," an anonymous Defense official told the Wall Street Journal, "maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks."

Traditionally the suspicion has been aimed at foreign cyber enemies. Hackers from China, North Korea and Russia often named as the culprits in the mainstream media. But in this year of the protest, the invisible enemy has a domestic face:

Anonymous.

It's a leaderless hacker movement with a political purpose. One that has joined forces with the Occupy Wall Street movement to fight corporations, banks and governments.

"We stand for freedom," says one anonymous protester. "We stand for freedom of speech. The power of the people."

Are they cyber protesters or cyber terrorist? For the U.S. government, there may be little difference between the two.

Just today, media reports revealed that the head of the National Security Agency sees Anonymous hackers as a serious threat. In private documents and meetings with White House officials, Gen. Keith Alexander warned that Anonymous take down the U.S. power grid in the US through a cyber attack.

"There is a deep insinuation that dissent is somehow connected to or an accessory to terrorism," said J.A. Myerson, an independent journalist who covers the Occupy Wall Street movement. "That's a really horrifying prospect."

A horrifying prospect that is now a reality for a government busy fighting the endless War on Terror.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said it would be "crazy" to exempt terrorist suspects who are Americans and are arrested inside the country from battlefield-style detention.

"If you are an American citizen and you betray your country, you're going to be held in military custody and you're going to be questioned about what you know," Graham said on the Senate floor. "You're not going to be given a lawyer. "

And freedom of speech and the internet may soon follow. Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Connecticut) has been pushing for the U.S. government to develop an internet shut-off switch which he says is needed to defend the economic infrastructure from a cyberterrorist attack.

"Right now China can disconnect parts of its internet in case of war," Lieberman said on CNN. "We need to have that too."

And that, says Retired Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, is pushing the U.S. down the road to tyranny.

"I don't think they're doing this based on their fear of terrorists," Wilkerson said. "I think they're doing it based on their ultimate fear of the Occupy Wall Street cum other movements in this country."

And as Anonymous and the Occupy Wall Street movements grow, so will those fears. Dangerously blurring the lines between who's a freedom fighter and who is a terrorist.

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sammy sezso

"A cyberattack is on its way. We will suffer a catastrophic cyber attack," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., recently said at a hearing. "The clock is ticking."

Fear mongering much?

This coming to you from the same people that are trying to convince us all that Iran hates us too.

Our government is running scared and the people can tell!

Just yesterday the NSA told congress that they think Anonymous might try to shut down our electrical grid! I hope they do! My generator is gassed up and ready to go!

tick-tock

;)

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:15 PM EST
Kyle-2710718

I'm still waiting for someone to "Robin Hood" the international banking system, then evenly distribute all of the hoarded wealth of the multi-billionaire, fat cats, royalty, etc. to the entire population.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:44 PM EST
Kyle-2710718

Sorry, back on topic...

I see them as protesters. :-)

I also feel that this is relevant to point out:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:35 PM EST
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mountainfirefall

chuckles.... i don't find them that useful... given the backlash.

wishlist hasn't had a 'hit' yet as far an anony goes.. but i'm a watchin.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:29 PM EST
D Luniz-1282741

I doubt Anonymous would ever just shut down the electrical grid, cause honestly, they have only commited corperate espinage(sp?)

and while illegal, they do it with a sense of justice

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:11 PM EST
mountainfirefall

i'm waitin for some of that 'justice'.... wish they'd get busy. Many are already living off the grid, without intending too.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:03 PM EST
Shub Tnediserp Remrof

Depends on how you look at it. They are protesting for freedom on the internet, but they are not the law which makes them terrorists or criminals of the online world. Do I oppose their actions no. Do I support them no. It is what it is so be it. Personally the V for Vendetta masks are funnier than threatening.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST
sammy sezso

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said it would be "crazy" to exempt terrorist suspects who are Americans and are arrested inside the country from battlefield-style detention.

"If you are an American citizen and you betray your country, you're going to be held in military custody and you're going to be questioned about what you know," Graham said on the Senate floor. "You're not going to be given a lawyer. "

It appears that Mr. Graham has completely forgot about OUR RIGHTS! Here I was, thinking that Americans are presumed innocent UNTIL they are proven guilty. Now where in the hell did I ever get that idea?

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST
northern girl

I fully support someone's right to free speech, which includes the right to protest and assemble. However, when your actions infringe on another's right to privacy (among other things) I will no longer support you. Hacking is an invasion of privacy. The end result is just as important as the means in which you get there. If you get there by harming others, thats not cool.

Am I worried about the power grid going down? Nope, because I have put a lot of time, money, and energy into being prepared for anything and I have backups for my backups. Could others be put in a lift threatening situation? Yes, and since your right to swing your fist ends where another's nose begins, I will use my freedom to fight for their security.

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST
mrsrachelm

Nothing more I can add to that than "I agree" but to say:

Hospitals, nursing homes, fire fighters, police, etc would be effected. Patient care would be effected. People could and would die. Innocent people.

If cyber bullies like Anon -were- to do something like that, damn straight they are terrorists.

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:22 AM EST
Kyle-2710718

However, when your actions infringe on another's right to privacy (among other things) I will no longer support you. Hacking is an invasion of privacy.

Just as the actions of our own government are invading our privacy, trampling on our rights, and placing millions of people in jeopardy every day.
Just so a handful of billionaires can get richer.

  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 AM EST
mrsrachelm

Two wrongs never equal a right. Find a better excuse.

  • 3 votes
#7.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:30 AM EST
northern girl

I am not a fan of the way our government operates. The new and improved "Patriot Act" IMO is a huge infringement of our rights. Big Brother is an infringement of our rights. Warrentless wiretaps are an infringement of our rights. Censorship is an infringement of our rights. I want our government to stop all this kind of stuff immediately, and I will fight to get them to stop, but one thing I will never agree with is "collateral damage". I have no problem with "doing what needs to be done" but I draw the line at harming innocent people.

  • 5 votes
#7.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST
mountainfirefall

do not be kept apathetic because someone's idea of civil has made it 'cliche' to step up when all those wrongs are now taking lives... just so happens the lives are stamped 'no value', and disposable.

what is right. is it right to refuse to hire someone who is unemployed?

is it right to allow such low wages one qualifies for food stamps when the employer is multibillionaire and sending money overseas, along with jobs...

the list is now embarrassing.

That moral ground called 'right' is becoming an excuse.

  • 3 votes
#7.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:46 AM EST
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sammy sezso

Anonymous message to the NSA

Greetings NSA,

We are Anonymous.

Your statement regarding the potential future sabotage of power grids by Anonymous, disgusts us to the core, as it is clearly an attempt at fear mongering. The idea that Anonymous would shut down one of the most vital resources for it to operate, is ludicrous.

While security and intelligence organizations throughout the world attempt to depict Anonymous as a ‘terrorist organization’, many people understand that this same subset of Anonymous they speak of, is actually a movement for freedom. This appears to scare government organizations, to the point where they might do anything in an attempt to discredit Anonymous, and make people believe Anonymous exists solely to harm innocent people.

Are these claims and predictions an attempt to falsely accuse Anonymous of something that will happen in the future - maybe even being orchestrated by the same government organizations that are now already blaming Anonymous? Many people have warned about the sad state of the power grid infrastructure in the past, but why would we shut down our own computers and other communication tools?

Thousands of people rely on electricity for everything they do; hospitals even need this electricity to save lives, and taking out the power grid would cause harm to the very people we wish to protect.

There is no valid reason for us to shut down the power grid, as far as we are aware. Any such predictions by the various government, security, and intelligence organizations are likely attempts to instill fear into those that don’t understand this, and to discredit Anonymous as a whole.

We are Anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
For once don’t expect us.

http://anoninfowarfare.tumblr.com/

All this crap about shutting down the electrical grid is just that, CRAP!

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST
mrsrachelm

Well, now we have a he said/she said. Both sides are saying the other side will do it. The result is...IF it happens....none but those actually involved in "flipping the switch" so to speak will know who to blame and innocent lives will STILL be thrown in the @!$%#ter.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:31 PM EST
sammy sezso

That's a really big IF mrsrachelm!

Besides, what makes you think that this hasn't been a possibility the whole time? Last year the water systems in 2 cities were exploited after the hacker argued that it was possible and the governments said it was not possible.

He hacked their systems and sent them the proof! The hacker says they had 3 digit passwords that were so easy that any kid could got in! 1 of the systems is 2 blocks from my house! (Our city officials still have trouble turning on a computer, and know nothing about security!)

If Anonymous wanted to destroy the world, it would have been done by now!

Don't allow yourself to be sucked into the fear mongering by our government.

Anonymous is on OUR side!

  • 4 votes
#8.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:47 PM EST
mountainfirefall

i suggest you look around... life is in the @!$%#ter already... for the average citizen that is...

those who hold power, or those near it, seem to be doing just fine.

which is the point.

shake off the fear, and look. Then...

identify those who hold the responsiblity and use it for their own well-being at the expense of others who pay their ticket to ride.

(that would be us)

  • 3 votes
#8.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:53 PM EST
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mountainfirefall

I call Anonymous to action.

I call out to Anonymous to step up.

Occupy has been assumed by the 'service' industry' for their own goals.

Those 'service' employees are to happy to remove the very weakest to the margins where they are accustomed to leaving them, ... those at the front are in need of inclusion... Anonymous states it is their purpose.

I call for Anonymous to act.

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:56 PM EST
TR-421173

Yes

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:16 PM EST
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